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Oct 27, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger

Jets come within 100 feet of colliding

Full story: The Daily Breeze

A pair of jetliners came less than 100 feet from colliding with each other on the south airfield of Los Angeles International Airport, the Federal Aviation Administration said today.

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LOL

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And that would be one reason why I fly out of Orange Cnty.
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Oct 26, 2009
 
"This was a pretty nasty near-miss and I would say from my perspective that the planes were 10 to 15 feet from each other," said Mike Foote, president of the local air traffic controllers union.

10 to 15 feet is definitely within 100 feet as the headline says.
NOBAMA SHMOMA

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WITH ALL THESE PROBLEMS W/ PILOTS LATELY. I.E. OVER SHOOTING THERE DESTINATION... AND NOW THIS. THE FAA SHOULD REVOKE THERE LICENSES!
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Nobama, you should take an English class.

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Just goes to show there will always be the element of human error involved regardless of how many bells and whistles you install.

The pilot even read back instructions to the tower yet proceeded forward, mind was somewhere else.
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This is why I started flying out of Long beach whenever possable.
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Oct 26, 2009
 
Think about it. You get through a whole flight,land and think you're home free...And then,Wham! You could be dead on the damn runway....
RB RN

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Oct 26, 2009
 
Karlheinz wrote:
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More dangerous than Hahn's Harbor City.
Even the "bomb on board" threat at LAX was covered up.
What bomb on board threat?
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NOBAMA SHMOMA wrote:
WITH ALL THESE PROBLEMS W/ PILOTS LATELY. I.E. OVER SHOOTING THERE DESTINATION... AND NOW THIS. THE FAA SHOULD REVOKE THERE LICENSES!
"All these incidents".....you mean two incidents in the past week out of the thousands and thousands of flights that occurred across the country and around the world?? I hate to tell you, but there have been many more people killed by automobiles in the same time period. In other words.....don't get your panties in a bunch.....the sky isn't falling.
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If LAX had looked at years worth of studies and data on runway incursions, they would have eliminated all the taxiway crossings in the middle of the runways and made all, or almost all of the crossings close to either end of the inner runway. This would greatly reduce the chance of a serious incident/accident in the event that pilot crossed the runway by mistake.

O'Hare has eliminated almost all of their runway crossings by making planes taxi a bit farther but it has paid off.

The red hold bar lights might help some but pilot will still taxi directly across them if they're not paying attention...mMuch like red traffic lights have not stopped all car collisions at intersections.
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Oct 26, 2009
 
The airport wants to pay million, millions of dollars to redo the Brady International Terminal? I think the money has better use (as shown with the article above). With the City of LA it is all politics.
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Oct 26, 2009
 
Karlheinz wrote:
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Great idea, a vacation. I barely remember what that is. And that smart pilot "correctly read back an air traffic controller's instructions to turn the Embraer E-190 jetliner onto another taxiway and stop," as Gregor said.
"But instead of following the instructions, the pilot continued to cross the taxiway's hold bars, Gregor said." Hello, I think they need a vacation too, or perhaps retire.
"At the same time, Northwest Airlines Flight 623, a Boeing 757 jetliner, was rolling down the departures runway to take off for Honolulu. An air traffic controller noticed what was going on and instructed the Midwest Airlines pilot to stop just as an alarm sounded in the control tower, Gregor said."
"The controller saw what was happening and immediately took action to keep this incident from becoming more serious," Gregor said. Yes, and the Midwest Airlines jet "stopped just before it entered the departures runway, about 200 feet past the taxiway's hold bars," according to Mike Foote, president of the local air traffic controllers union.
"This was a pretty nasty near-miss and I would say from my perspective that the planes were 10 to 15 feet from each other," said Foote, who was inside the control tower during the runway incursion.
That's not a whole lot, 15 feet. I guess these folks were lucky.
Couldn't tell if your bomb on board was a joke or not. If that did happen to you, for sure you need a vacation. Those folks were lucky.15 ft is small leeway for tragedy.
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LAX has too many frigging planes. Couple that with the low fly overs and it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Only when enough people are killed will the officials wake up to the insanity of having so many planes in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas in the US.
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Oct 26, 2009
 
JetBlast wrote:
If LAX had looked at years worth of studies and data on runway incursions, they would have eliminated all the taxiway crossings in the middle of the runways and made all, or almost all of the crossings close to either end of the inner runway. This would greatly reduce the chance of a serious incident/accident in the event that pilot crossed the runway by mistake.
O'Hare has eliminated almost all of their runway crossings by making planes taxi a bit farther but it has paid off.
The red hold bar lights might help some but pilot will still taxi directly across them if they're not paying attention...mMuch like red traffic lights have not stopped all car collisions at intersections.
Fine and Dandy, but what about when the wind direction changes and the aircraft take off eastbound and land over the ocean?
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Oct 26, 2009
 
CORRECTION: The airport wants to pay million, millions of dollars to redo the Bradley International Terminal? I think the money has better use (as shown with the article above). With the City of LA it is all politics.
Dont Be Stupid

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Oct 26, 2009
 
Estband wrote:
<quoted text> Fine and Dandy, but what about when the wind direction changes and the aircraft take off eastbound and land over the ocean?
Generally, unless you have an aircraft equipped with pontoons, you sink if landing over water. Been proven numerous times.
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Reducing the number of runway incursions by one is probably significantin the big picture. One would hope the reduction have resulted in a bigger resuction of these incursions. The airport and FAA should take another look at where these stop lights have been placed to see if they need to be moved or maybe the FAA can come up with the Funds for additional stop lights.

Pilot awareness of these lights could also be a factor; training by the airlines may be required to increase the effectiveness of these lights. As a passenger I would like to see the reduction fall to zero incursions.
taxpayer

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#30
Oct 27, 2009
 
Why allow planes to cross a runway other than at the ends of a runway the first place. To save time? To save fuel?

It seems logical that if planes only crossed at the ends of the runway, this would be much safer, and that even a runway incursion would not result in a collision. Paint stripes, red lights or signs can reduce, but do not prevent accidents.
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#31
Oct 27, 2009
 
I think the FAA should land planes on 25R instead of 25L. That way incoming aircraft would not have to cross an active departing runway. Makes common sense!
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Estband: you would cross at the EAST end of the runway if the landing direction changed and then taxi back to the terminals from the east.

Honu: Landing 25R is not feasible for several reasons. Biggest one is that all departures would have to cross 25R to get to 25L so you won't save any crossings, you would end up with A/C parked 90 degrees from the landing runway and have a jetblast issue and A/C would also infringe on the 25R glide slope critical area, thus would not work at all in IFR weather.

Another issue that LAX has is taxiway/terminal congestion near terminals 4,5 and 6. If would be very difficult to have A/C landing 2 1/2 miles apart on 25R and have everyone be able to exit completely before the next arrival crossed the numbers. When A/C land on the outboard, the controller can plan the runway crossings when the congestion or blocked gates are cleared. When AA added 2 extra gates on the end of term. 4, it compounded the problem at one of the busiest areas of the airport.
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