Healthcare Bill Clears House

Don Joe wrote:

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If you don't know of anyone dropped you are wantonly blind. It is happening all over the nation. It has happened to members of my family, my co-workers, my neighbors, my friends, people I know at church. For you to claim it isn't happening is beyond belief.
$58 billion in malpractice and you solution is to forbid people from seeking redress from that malpractice? No, a better solution would be to get rid of the 1% of doctors who commit this malpractice.
America leads in pharmaceutical innovation and almost all of it is paid by the American taxpayer. The companies apply for funding to make the drugs then we pay through the nose to get those drugs. We oughta get a discount.
As far as foreigners taking American jobs, we can agree. That is why I oppose the GOP and their bringing in thousands of engineers to reduce engineering wages. Unemployment is much higher than 10.2%. That is a phony cooked number to make it look better.
I have not gone to Canada for health care, but it is tempting. I almost took my wife to Germany for health care. If I could have afforded it I would have. My wife has a condition which is easily manageable in Europe but the US couldn't even diagnosis it till the late 1990s. Europe had the cure in the 1940s.
I would be happy to wait in line a few hours rather than be told I cannot have health care ever.

Really? It's happened to your family? What measures have you taken to redress this atrocity? If you hire a painter to paint your house, but he doesn't finish the job, do you just shrug your shoulders, pay the man and whine about how "evil" the painters guild is?
I question the validity of your comments. Until I see specifics, which will more than likely include that nasty little "failure to disclose" caveate, then it is suspect.
Ok, you want trumped up malpractice to continue, then be prepared to pay higher rates. The "victim" and the doctor never really wins, but the lawyers, insurance companies and a plethora of other ambulance chaser always will.
I agree the unemployment number is far worse than 10.2%. I tried to explain the U6 report on here before and was lambasted for using "White Voodoo Magic Math" to make Obama look bad, so I usually run with the numbers that the level of education this audience can understand. If you think the Republican H visa policies were bad, the same policies that Democrats continue to support and expand, wait until March. What Obama is bringing out then will make your, and most Americans blood boil.
Finally, have you ever been to a VA Hospital? It's definitely not state of the art, but you do get long lines. You are "covered", per se, under layers of beaurocratic inspection and regulation, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you will be treated. But you will be "covered". Since we have a working model of what this bill really represents running in this country now in the VA, you should probably take a good look at the results of this fine program. Be prepared to cringe. But you would be "covered".

Doomed Sheeple wrote:

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Our Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land, is obsolete. Or haven’t you heard?

Move to Europe. I will happily pay for a one way ticket to get s c u m like you out of our country. Worth every penny. No respect for our founding fathers....that should be the death penalty in this country.

Mayhap wrote:

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I wouldn't be suprised if some sort of "sensitivity training" is implemented for our Military in light of how the media is playing this out and it being just more of the same old. That America is at fault, the Military is at fault, etc. It bringing to mind Murtha who used the incident at Hadeetha and accused those Marines. To date, he, a Marine, never has issued one word of appology to them and even though they were all exonerated fully of the charges against them.
What I would like to know is where is Obama? Maybe I missed it but last I checked, he hasn't visited w/the families or those injured. Then, again, out of all the inaguration balls, Obama couldn't even find the time to attend the Medal of Honor ball which honored our finest.

Don't worry, while Obama hasn't visited the troops, as usual, a President who understand the level of danger this enemy poses has.
President Bush
Maybe soon we can fill that vacant position up on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave with a Real President again. Until then, we just have to wait on more staged nightly photo ops out of Dover. We just have to continue enduring the embarrassment a little longer.

Doomed Sheeple wrote:

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Our Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land, is obsolete. Or haven’t you heard?

Zelaya claimed the same thing about his countries Constitution. He was proven wrong too.

Schmidy wrote:

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Move to Europe. I will happily pay for a one way ticket to get s c u m like you out of our country. Worth every penny. No respect for our founding fathers....that should be the death penalty in this country.

ROFLOL! Hey Fool, I’m on your side. Are you so outraged that you don’t recognize cynicism when you see it?

Yes let's get the right-wingers back in their again just because they did oh. so. much. Tired of this back and forth bulls*it among both of those jokes. Time for a 3rd option while we still have one!

the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:

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Zelaya claimed the same thing about his countries Constitution. He was proven wrong too.

OK. First of all, I agree with you. Secondly, that would be “country’s” not countries. I correct you because we need more good, patriotic, individuals, such as you, fighting for this nation. But I am playing devil’s advocate here to let you know how the Ivy League
educated intelligentsia will attack your arguments. We, all of us, must arm ourselves for battle. That includes educating ourselves. We must not allow ourselves to become brain-dead sheeple by indulging in sports BS, while our very lives are endangered. Utilize the time normally spent in watching football, basketball, baseball, etc… to read books which will enable us to win this battle. Start with Robert Taber’s book,“War of the Flea: The Classic Study of Guerrilla Warfare ” and move on to Geoffrey Fairbairn’s “Guerrilla Warefare: The Countryside Version. And don’t forget Sun Tsu”s –“The Art of War”

Is this a really good bill? I think I do not understand exactly what it means for 1) me, as a newly retired on Social Security; 2) for my daughter as the attorney/office administrator of a law firm; 3) for my son as an employee of a company, which may very well figure out a way to cut his benefits (such as cutting his hours to 38, rather than 40, which would eliminate his insurance). These are the games companies play, and they will continue to do so, no matter what the national law is.

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Sinajuavi wrote:

The GOP is nothing but a service agency for corporate capitalism.
They are traitors to the people.

Fool, both parites are a total affront to the very people they are supposed to represent...they both have their own insipid angendas, which by the way, hurt the average American. The group we have in office now, appears to hate this country.

What we're seeing here is a thing called "masturbatory gloating." ;)

Not to be off-color, but "mastuirbatory gloating" is a real thing. It's what right-wingers do to cheer themselves up during hard times.

Wingers have a strong physiological need to gloat. When times are tough--as they are now--and there is realy nothing to gloat about, our right-leaning friends simply make stuff up and then gloat about it. It's a desperate way to keep their flagging spirits up.

And who can blame them for trying? The back of conservatism in America has been broken. At this point, the right are Southern white males, mostly.

To buck themselves up, these people pull stuff out of their butts and then gloat about it. I call it "masturbatory gloating," and the wingers do it all the time.

That's why our friends are coming in here and saying it's all over for the Democrats, when they probably know perfectly well they're screwed.

Hating ACORN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

dolyn wrote:

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While I support the 'idea' of affordable healthcare for CITIZENS, I can NOT support a healthcare reform that takes freedom of choice away from American CITIZENS. This IS still America! Fines and the threat of jail time for citizens that are not covered by healthcare is unconstitutional.

You get fined or jailed if you don't have auto insurance... 500$ in Michigan! This has been going on for years. I've been forced to have auto insurance or pay why should this be any different. I think it's way more of a travesty that we get in trouble if our damn car isn't insured. Who you think pushed for that...can I say the banks handing out the loans! I'd rather be fined for saving something important like human lives!

Perry Logan wrote:

What we're seeing here is a thing called "masturbatory gloating." ;)
Not to be off-color, but "mastuirbatory gloating" is a real thing. It's what right-wingers do to cheer themselves up during hard times.
Wingers have a strong physiological need to gloat. When times are tough--as they are now--and there is realy nothing to gloat about, our right-leaning friends simply make stuff up and then gloat about it. It's a desperate way to keep their flagging spirits up.
And who can blame them for trying? The back of conservatism in America has been broken. At this point, the right are Southern white males, mostly.
To buck themselves up, these people pull stuff out of their butts and then gloat about it. I call it "masturbatory gloating," and the wingers do it all the time.
That's why our friends are coming in here and saying it's all over for the Democrats, when they probably know perfectly well they're screwed.
Hating ACORN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Nyessss.
I coined a phrase whhhen I read posts of this nature,Lovey.
I playfully refer to them as,drawith to muchist from the bongist.
Wha,wha,wha whack!
It's enough to curl your pony tail!
As much as I just want to blurt out,Geeeeheeeehshust HHHHHHach,I digress.
I spin my pinkie ring,and come up with new names for,Fox,guarding the hen-house,News!
Wha,wha,wha,whackjob!

Perry Logan: What do you mean by Southern white males? Are you trying to imply that they are racist? Is that not racial profiling?
Man are you delusional! Obama's ass is riding on this bill, so he passed it against the very wishes of the American people. The backlash and the outrage of Americans has only just begun. You democrats are history come 2010. I really have doubts that Obama will serve a 4 year term. In less than one year, America is ashamed and sick of him.

AngieluvsJoyce wrote:

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You get fined or jailed if you don't have auto insurance... 500$ in Michigan! This has been going on for years. I've been forced to have auto insurance or pay why should this be any different. I think it's way more of a travesty that we get in trouble if our damn car isn't insured. Who you think pushed for that...can I say the banks handing out the loans! I'd rather be fined for saving something important like human lives!

Wrong.
You get fined or jailed if you DRIVE without car insurance.
If you don't want to buy CAR insurance, justy don't drive.

If you dont want to be compelled to buy HEALTH insutance, however, you need just not LIVE.

Ywo completely DIFFERENT scenarios.

The typos are important so my ignorant gay stalker will have SOMETHING to reply with.

proudredneck wrote:

...'50,000 Americans Die Every Year for lack of insurance'...
oh really...because of 'lack of insurance'...prove it

You really need to stop getting ALL of you FALSE information from Faux News Channel!!!

Here is the PROOF. http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
The National Coalition on Healthcare Website.

This is very informed and detailed Data regarding the Health Insurance Statistics.

Also, Harvard released a detailed study as well and here is the link for that and a brief overview.

Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idU...

It's rather odd that a large majority of the people that are AGAINST ALL Americans having affordable healthcare are the ones that are on Medicare! These people are already receiving the very same thing that the rest of us are asking for!!! Why does is cost me over a $100.00 a month just to get in to see my Dr. and that isn't even is she does anything when I am there!!! Most working class families with small children CANNOT afford this kind of costs. That $100.00 is the difference between having electricity or groceries for the month or seeing the Dr.!

I have YET to have ANY of these fools who are so ANGRY and HATEFULLY against Heathcare for all tell me specifically why they are against it? I don't think they have a reason other than that is what Fat Rush and the Crybaby Beck are filling their tiny little heads with lies. Notice how the GOP is paying on the stupidity of their followers by throwing out the "Bill will pay for Abortions" comment? The GOP knows that the people who follow them like sheep arent' smart enough to research the Bill for themselves so they create hysteria and fear by inciting the abortion issue and man oh man the Right goes nuts! If these people would actually READ from time to time they will see and KNOW that there is NOT any coverage for abortions. And if there was who cares? By not passing this bill the GOP are committing murder on a MASS SCALE as thousands of people will die for not having health insurance. The GOP are the REAL Criminals.

Awake wrote:

<quoted text>You are entitled to your opinions, but you are not entitled to make up your own facts.The first group of people executed and locked up were union leaders & members, professors & teachers, editors.
Communism=government controls the corporations.
Fascism=the corporations control government
Conservative=people exist for the State, prefers
authoritarian type govt. Emphasis on order over individual rights.
Liberalism=the State exists for the people. Emphasis on individual rights over order.

So what's Socialism? Did you not leave that out?

One World wrote:

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You really need to stop getting ALL of you FALSE information from Faux News Channel!!!
Here is the PROOF. http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
The National Coalition on Healthcare Website.
This is very informed and detailed Data regarding the Health Insurance Statistics.
Also, Harvard released a detailed study as well and here is the link for that and a brief overview.
Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idU...

do you suppose that this government run healthcare will make a difference ?

how many people who have healthcare die each year ?

since I think you can do the math , the total number of deaths in the US were

2,426,264

now assuming your numbers are correct then the total number who died who had heathcare were how many ?

it seems to me that healthcare at its core had little effect on how many actually died .

now if you want to make your assertions more powerful , you could add how many survived because they had healthcare .

come an see us when you have a complete thesis on heathcare its affects and causes when dealing with the death of americans .

until then think about the people who will die due to screwed up government intervention into their heath choices .